The Manchester Evening News has announced that a revamp of its website is soon to be launched, not normally the sort of thing to trigger an online protest to the news desk and complaints across social media so what’s going on? The MEN’s first online editor Sarah Hartley offers an explanation.
The MEN’s website is actually long overdue for an update. Pretty similar to the version I departed from back in 2009, I’d guess its overhaul has been kicked into the long grass by the complicated switch from the Guardian Media Group to Trinity Mirror, office relocation, editor departures, staff changes and any number of more immediately pressing issues.
So a new look and new functionality has to be a good thing, right? Time’s moved on and readers expect more from their local news site these days. Well not according to more than 150 comments already left on the site.
The problem? Commenters will have to sign-in to the website via Facebook from now on. That gives the newspaper a way of authenticating the users plus it is generally considered more likely that people using their real names, rather than the often witty pseudonyms used at present , won’t abuse the system.
But, unlike many other sites, there won’t be another option – no email or twitter log-in for instance – and not everyone wants to play with Facebook.
The outcry seems to have come as a shock to Trinity execs. Digital publishing director David Higgerson tweeted last night that he was surprised by the reaction as this type of system was already in operation in other locations such as Birmingham.
And there’s the issue. Manchester isn’t Birmingham. The Manchester online users are not merely commenters with a passing interest, they are a community which came together around the city’s football and other passions. As with so many things, Manchester does things differently.
While some users have simply bid the newspaper goodbye, an email campaign to the newsdesk is underway and others have taken the time to spell out their opposition.
Here’s a few examples:
In me alone I trust: “There are many valid reasons why people are wise not to use Facebook and security IS one of them with viruses, trojans and spam ever increasing via that medium, another genuine concern is SAFETY, particularly for females.”
Lolcrab4: “Look at TM’s other sites, the Mirror, Birmingham Mail, they all look somewhat similar yes? So a site by site roll-out affecting all of TM’s sites, MEN just being the next one to be migrated. It’s a pity because not all communities are the same and the MEN community with it’s United/City mix is very unique.”
sheikh, prattle and droll: “If you take a look at the Birmingham Mail site and find the Aston Villa section, stories have two, three or four comments. Now Villa ain’t City or United but still, can’t the MEN see they will alienate their customers? What other business would take action in direct opposition to the requirements of their customers? No business sense in the media world, clearly.”
Old faces online
Looking through the complaints last night I was taken aback at how many names I recognise from years gone by.

Sarah Hartley
When, the then Manchester Online team, introduced commenting to the MEN back in the early 2000s, some of those same people were there then. So it seems that, in some cases they have been there, and not just commenting but participating, ever since.
I don’t know the situation in Birmingham, but I can guess it would be very different – Manchester was unique as a GMG website in having a pre-moderated stance.
Not something I’d advocate (a necessity of the newspaper management) but it did mean that the relationship between the online journalists and those wanting to post comments back then was much closer – we knew the regulars, they were part of our working day reading all the submissions. Sometimes infuriating, often fun, never dull and when it went astray, experienced staff like the aptly named Paul Handler took things in hand.
The users’ views are important and they will demand to be heard but whether the cookie cutter template approach that a large media group needs to ensure consistency and economies of scale can ever be reconciled with this particular community’s need for its own identity remains to be seen.
Whatever happens next, judging by the MEN’s response, a rethink looks unlikely.
“We understand from the experiences of our colleagues at the Birmingham Mail, who introduced the same process before Christmas, that not everyone will choose to give the new system a go and that’s something we accept.”
Or in other words, ‘goodbye’.
* Sarah Hartley is the MD of community publishing company, Talk About Local and blogs about media and journalism

January 16, 2013 at 11:40 am, Axel said:
“Digital publishing director David Higgerson tweeted last night that he was surprised by the reaction as this type of system was already in operation in other locations such as Birmingham.”
What a fool. It is acknowledged later in the article that the move didn’t go down well in Birmingham, why close yourself off to that fact Mr. Higgerson, and bury your head in the sand? Learn from your mistakes like intelligent people do.
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January 16, 2013 at 12:40 pm, Rose said:
Axel…please can you log in via Facebook before you say things like that. Thanks.
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January 29, 2013 at 11:30 am, Axel said:
> Ha, ha very good. I genuinely don’t have a FB account, by the way.
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January 17, 2013 at 8:33 am, Much ado about Facebook « David Higgerson said:
[...] but for now it’s Facebook, and despite the tone of some blog posts written about this – such as ex-MEN digital editor Sarah Hartley’s post – we decided to explain in detail what we were doing because we respect large numbers of that [...]
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January 17, 2013 at 1:26 pm, David Higgerson said:
Hi Axel, I’m not a fool. Actually, we had a handful of complaints in Birmingham, but 99% of the feedback to the new site in Birmingham has been overwhelmingly positive.
I was disappointed with the post, Sarah, because there are a number of inaccuracies which you could have sorted by simply speaking to me. I was surprised – not shocked – by the media interest in something we started a year ago, but I appreciate it made for a good ‘execs out of touch’ reference.
Your suggestion that we are ignoring local aspects of the MEN site just to fit it into a ‘cookie cutter’ template is also wrong. Again, I could have clarified this. The MEN has a long-established community and a fraction of these people have complained about it. The Birmingham Mail’s commenting community is smaller, because it’s had commenting functionality for a shorter period of time, but I don’t think there is a material difference between the ability of Brummies to gather around a subject and the ability of readers in Manchester to do the same.
We’re not just saying ‘goodbye’ to people. We’re working hard to keep them informed of something which we believe will be for the good of the website. We are listening to concerns as well. Again, I’d have been happy to go through all this.
The MEN website has grown rapidly from solid foundations in the last two years, led by some brilliant journalists – and our work to improve the site will only support that.
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January 18, 2013 at 8:03 am, Sarah Hartley said:
Hi David, sorry to hear you were ‘disappointed’. As it was an opinion piece (and clearly labelled as such) I guess it’s inevitable that some people won’t hold the same view as me but thankfully it can be debated here if anyone wishes to. Nowhere have I said ‘execs out of touch’. I am critical of the policy, not the person.
As someone who cares deeply about the MEN website (regardless of who owns it) I do hope there will be a rethink – not only can there be very valid reasons for not using real names, there’s plenty of established ways to authenticate users other than Facebook. I’m quite sure plenty of community managers who’ve got experience of those would be happy to share that knowledge. On that point, I don’t know whether you caught Simon Wharton’s pertinent comment on the news story about the user objections on this site? (http://www.prolificnorth.co.uk/2013/01/men-readers-dont-like-facebook-only-comments-change/) Reaching out to the city’s digital community would be a really good way forward here. Maybe the solution lies a bit closer to home than Palo Alto (or Canary Wharf).
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January 18, 2013 at 9:30 am, David Higgerson said:
Thanks for the reply Sarah. We’re always more than happy to talk to anyone. A lot of people have made a lot of assumptions – yourself included – about the decision made, the reasons behind it and what we think of the commenting community. Differing opinions is, of course, fine – but as journalists we should always strive to ensure our opinion is based on fact.
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January 18, 2013 at 1:51 pm, Sarah Hartley said:
There’s some really good debate happening over at The Northerner on this topic. Good points being politely made. Worth seeing how that is all managed because users there have options on how to log in (including Facebook) and pseudonyms are commonplace too: http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk/the-northerner/2013/jan/18/manchester-evening-news-facebook-accounts#start-of-comments
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January 18, 2013 at 4:01 pm, David Higgerson said:
I think the whole ‘good management creates a good community’ is a little simplistic (much as I’d like it to be true). For every Guardian article with a ‘well managed’ community thread underneath it, there are a dozen where it becomes pretty unfriendly quite quickly.
I think it’s important to note that my original blog post was meant to highlight why I think using a Facebook-only approach (with more options to follow) is potentially good for journalists, and why we should strive to encourage our audience to be as accountable as we are expected to be. The assumption that people should be allowed to say what they like knowing they can’t be touched deserves to be challenged, and we should ask what sort of community we want.
As someone who cares deeply about the MEN, I hope you’ll find some time to have a good look around the new site when it goes live. If you find yourself asking why we’ve done something, please give me a shout – and I’d extend that to anyone curious about what we’re doing. We appreciate feedback.
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January 18, 2013 at 4:36 pm, JF said:
I expect the FB-only log in for comment to cause the shedding of a good proportion of the existing *vocal* community. Is that really such a bad thing? I read comments sections on a number of news websites, and I’ve not come across any other with the level of default vitriol we get in the existing MEN commenting community. I’ve had conversations (in real life!) with a number of others who have expressed the same issue and suggested that it portrays a very bad image of the city. While this may be nothing to do with the reason behind the change, a clean sweep and some accountability in commenting can only be good for the MEN and should create a better community environment for the current quiet majority.
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January 18, 2013 at 5:27 pm, Sarah Hartley said:
Hi JF, I’m sure you’re right about the reduction which will follow and maybe that will be considered a good thing in the end. It’s a shame if you and your friends have been put off participating in the past because vitriol should not be tolerated on any platform. Good community guidelines and an unwavering enforcement of them is essential (but time consuming). Thanks for commenting here :)
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January 18, 2013 at 8:06 pm, Simon Wharton said:
Policing a community is sensible. You don’t need to put all your eggs into the Facebook basket to do that.
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January 18, 2013 at 8:39 pm, Manchester Evening News to bar non-Facebook users from commenting online | Tech & Comms News said:
[...] Writing for Prolific North, Hartley said: [...]
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January 21, 2013 at 11:08 am, David Edmundson-Bird said:
This nice article by Econsultancy sums up the pros and cons – the issue around brand identity is important here http://econsultancy.com/uk/blog/61911-the-pros-and-cons-of-a-facebook-login-on-ecommerce-sites?utm_medium=feeds&utm_source=blog
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January 21, 2013 at 11:16 am, Sarah Hartley said:
That is interesting David, thanks for sharing. Quite surprised by that figure in relation to retail: “just 30 of the top 500 online retailers have implemented login with Facebook”. Might have guessed at something higher.
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January 22, 2013 at 10:22 pm, Callum said:
“There are many valid reasons why people are wise not to use Facebook and security IS one of them with viruses, trojans and spam ever increasing via that medium, another genuine concern is SAFETY, particularly for females.”
get.a.grip.
If you are still struggling with viruses, trojans and spam because you click every link you see, then maybe the internet isnt for you in the first place. it is 2013.
SAFETY?? You do realise you could create a compeltely bogus facebook account and log in with that don’t you?
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January 30, 2013 at 7:59 pm, Free From Facebook (Paul) said:
I’m astounded and delighted at the miniscule amount of comments throughout the M.E.N. site since it’s facebook only switch. Even the major news and sports stories are bereft of replies. I’ve spotted several stories and articles that in the past would have received literally hundreds of comments.
Surely, and hopefully, the extent of the loss of has shocked even the M.E.N. Alas, not that it will make a jot of difference to them in taking on board their readers wishes. At the end of the day other major media sites and small websites have facebook AND email comments available.
In replying to ‘callums’ response, two important points and the second one is heartwarming stuff. Firstly, i can assure you i have a firm grip as personally i do not struggle with viruses and trojans etc. However one of the reasons they are so abundant is that there are millions who don’t make any effort whatsoever to browse safely.
Secondly, i’ve already joined MANY others on the new M.E.N. site with a false facebook account. Not so i can say anything bad but so i can speak my mind and stay safe.
The safety concern is for people who comment (not flame or abuse) on a volatile topic. In these days of extreme reactions from extreme people (not talking terrorism either) this can have fearful consequences. It only takes five minutes with Google to figure where someone lives, works or socializes if they are using their real name on Facebook.
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February 01, 2013 at 1:20 pm, Former Trinity Mirror executive reviews MEN’s North and South editions - Prolific North said:
[...] year has seen some significant moves aimed at prolonging its survival at the top of the food chain: a shiny new website, a new two-edition structure and more jobs [...]
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